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The worst part of the time in the brig was the boredom. Normally he was a very, very busy man. He worked with the science division of his crew quite strongly when it was needed, in particular Spock on the replication of the alien technology that was the source of power for his gloves. They had many plans for it, in particular for the Enterprise herself.

Now he was alone, or possibly only mostly alone depending on who else was in the brig. Without the First Officer that was the single person he trusted in any universe. Briefly, he entertained the thought of Spock attempting to come through the barrier between universes to find him, but would not push the strength of their trust that far. But... perhaps.

For now... he could wait.

Date: 2009-08-14 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
"And I dislike being called 'Pher'. So we are at a stalemate, Commander."

Date: 2009-08-14 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sehlatbear.livejournal.com
Spock took a step closer to the barrier between them.

"It seems... ill-mannered to refer to you simply as Pike. And yet you, having no place in this universe, have ill-used my counterpart here. I find the lack of rank... satisfactory."

Date: 2009-08-14 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
"Ill-used?" Pike said with a tiny hint of surprise. "In what way? In the sense that he tried to mind-meld with me and I defended myself? My universe is very different then the one you know, Spock. From your elder self... I get the feeling you already know a bit."

Date: 2009-08-14 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sehlatbear.livejournal.com
"I have some knowledge."

There was nothing he could sense of this man through the barrier. Yet, it was not logical to simply walk into the man's cell and stop his heart, no matter how Spock desired it.

"And yet I would experience surprise if kae'at k'lasa were not still known as a crime of the highest degree. He invaded your mind, a crime. You overwhelmed his."
Edited Date: 2009-08-14 02:09 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-14 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
"Kae'at k'lasa ra tr'y'jar ro itisha," [Mind-rape is a crime.] Pike said calmly, in very clear Yakana, "but only amongst your people. The Vulcan have long since learned to use it as a weapon against us, and we've got defenses against it. I did only what came naturally."

He tilted his head. "He could have been killed, easily. Weak, after tripping the defenses," He flexed his leather-covered hands, "I could have destroyed him. Yet... I did not."

Date: 2009-08-14 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sehlatbear.livejournal.com
The gloves. They had figured prominently in young Spock's memories. Supple leather, gleaming dull black. Why had no one removed this weaponry from the prisoner?

The man's grasp of his native language was unforeseen. Fascinating.

"It is this that intrigues me, Pike. What was your reasoning? I do not doubt that you have learned to emulate the eschak.
Edited Date: 2009-08-14 02:36 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-14 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
"Ever think that perhaps... I'm not a monster sitting in its cage but instead a person trying to survive in another universe? I know of the eschak but I can't do it. This is something else entirely. My reasoning is my own."

Date: 2009-08-14 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sehlatbear.livejournal.com
"It is entirely possible that you are both, Pike. You are capable of being many things simultaneously, I hypothesize."

Spock considers for a moment, and then drops the barrier between them. He would have an unimpeded view of this man.

"If you are not willing to discuss reason, why would you converse with me at all?"

Date: 2009-08-14 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
The Pike of this universe and the one of the other looked remarkably similar. Put together, in the same clothing, and the only thing that would have been able to tell them apart was the look in their eyes.

He remained seated, hands in front of him, watching. "Because you're here, and honestly, I'm bored. I'm discussing reason with you right now, just not the reason you want to hear."

Date: 2009-08-14 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sehlatbear.livejournal.com
The humans had a saying: Curiosity killed the cat. It was curiosity that had insisted young Spock step further into the cell and this same curiosity flowed through the Spock standing before Pike now.

"If you are bored, it is the least of the consequences you have brought upon yourself. You are alive. Were our situations reversed, I would not wish to calculate the odds that I could make the same claim."

Date: 2009-08-14 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
"The consequences I have brought against myself? You're thinking in the limited, Spock. What you believe of me? You're wrong. I told your younger self much the same thing, and now, I repeat it to you. You think your conclusions are based on logical, but in reality, you're allowing emotion to skew your final judgment." Pike delivered the words calmly, as if they could have been discussing anything at all instead of what was such an important issue.

Date: 2009-08-14 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sehlatbear.livejournal.com
"It is simple to attest that I am incorrect. It costs you nothing. Yet I have not judged you for anything other than what you appear to be. A predator. In a cage.

I am familiar with cages, Pike."

Spock folded his hands together, fingers interlaced.

"What would you have me conclude about you?"

Date: 2009-08-14 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
Pike's eyes closed for only a moment, thinking over sucha broad question. He met Spock's eyes again when he looked up. "A predator can only be defined by its prey. As such, my actions have been defined by someone who believed themselves a predator, but in truth was not. You're being led by a fallacy; you are allowing your judgment to be dictated by it. If you would allow yourself to step back and view my actions since arriving in this universe in a logical manner, you would see that I've done nothing wrong, only defended myself."

Date: 2009-08-14 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sehlatbear.livejournal.com
"Upon his return to our universe, my Captain Kirk asked how it was so easy for us to differentiate between him and your Captain Kirk. I informed it that it was much easier for a civilized man to pretend at savagery than a savage man to pretend at being civilized."

He stepped just inside the door of the cell.

"I think you are better at such acts of deception in any universe."

Date: 2009-08-14 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
"Deception is what you make of it." Pike pointed out, a brow lifting, watching Spock closely. Predator and prey. "It is often deceiving." Twisting the Vulcan's words around.

Date: 2009-08-14 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sehlatbear.livejournal.com
"Hence the illogical nature of deception. And why I do not practice it."

He had made no move to threaten or to bluster. Secure, then, in his abilities and position. Bored but patient. No Kirk had ever been patient but Spock had spent more than 11 years with another version of this man.

The similarities, beyond the physical, were obvious to him. Keen eyes that saw more than they should, and an iron mind.

"I will share a thing with you, freely given, to assure you I am ruled by logic in this matter, rather than emotion: I have, without hesitation, advised my captain to kill. Life is precious yet the good of the many outweighs the good of a single life. Yet I have not advised such a course in this case. I am waiting to see what you will demonstrate of yourself."

Date: 2009-08-14 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
It seemed a Spock was a Spock no matter the universe. A creature that believed itself to be ruled by logic, and mostly was, but it was a logic tripped by emotions its ruler denied.

"If you would have advised such a thing, your logic would have been brought into question." Pike held up three fingers, then curled two down. "Once, when we first met. The second, when he came into this cell and attempted to enter my mind. The third, when he came again and no guard would have been there fast enough to stop me. So far, three times in which I could have killed a member of this crew easily enough, or forced my way from this cell by his ransom."

"Yet I have not. What you might scoff at as force used in my own self defense, was merely training to keep from being destroyed physically or mentally by your own race. A predator is only a predator when it goes on the hunt." Pike stared at Spock, unblinking. "Otherwise, just a being living its way."

Date: 2009-08-14 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sehlatbear.livejournal.com
"It is unwise to ever forget that a predator is a predator, Pike. Or you will find yourself one day surprised when the creature obeys its instincts."

Spock's head tilted, body still yet at ease.

"You make much of your actions as self-defense. Was it self-defense to establish mastery over him in such a fashion?"

Date: 2009-08-14 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
"If you were trapped in this cell, among people that could be your enemy, what would you do to escape?" Pike questioned in return. A hint, turning the question back on Spock, or both?

Date: 2009-08-14 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sehlatbear.livejournal.com
"I should endeavor to ascertain if they were, indeed, my enemy and if they regarded me as such. I would take no action against them until such a conclusion had been made."

Date: 2009-08-14 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
"A Vulcan that wasn't my enemy wouldn't try to put his hand on my face. It may be different in this universe, but in my own, that is considered an act of torture."

Date: 2009-08-14 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sehlatbear.livejournal.com
"That does not explain your forced mastery of him. Or your response upon initial encounter.

What was the extent of your relationship with the Spock of your own universe?"

It is not a staring contest so much as it is maintaining vigilance.

Date: 2009-08-14 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
There seemed to be a tiny smirk curling the edges of Pike's lips. "A very personal question to ask someone, Spock." In a tone that silently asked, 'Why should I answer you?'

Date: 2009-08-14 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sehlatbear.livejournal.com
A familiar expression. Spock's own captain had worn this smirk of private amusement often, a man with a great capacity for humor. Something in Spock twinged to see it on the face of this man, something similar to the tightness he felt when interacting, however briefly, with the Admiral Pike of this universe. The universe was not a just place; his own Captain Pike would have been the equal of these men.

"Because to be forthcoming is to indicate you wish to establish that you are not my enemy. Or are you my enemy? Do you hold me accountable for my counterpart?"

Spock did not have enemies. For a variety of reasons.

Date: 2009-08-14 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iron-command.livejournal.com
"Accountable." Pike repeated, the smirk growing in his amusement. "Your counterpart has been on my ship for eleven years. He was my first officer for five of those. We've worked together longer then any other captain and first officer in the history of Starfleet. You don't get that sort of recognition without some level of trust."

Very slowly Pike stood, retaining the distance between them, keeping their eyes locked. "I've no desire to be your enemy, though it seems you have every desire to keep me as yours."

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